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Bad Bobby Bring Me Sunshine 111	Posted - 2012.09.15 08:47:00 - [1] - Quote flakeys wrote: 421 corp mates and no one can give you a 7 B loan ? This. If your own corp mates do not trust you enough to loan you a paltry 7B, then why should anyone else?
Bad Bobby Bring Me Sunshine 111	Posted - 2012.09.15 09:17:00 - [2] - Quote Kell Tarhun wrote: Market investments i do on my own. Most corporations i was in care of shooting to protect their own business. I do not care personally about corporations, alliances that much. Honestly i know just 2 guys from my current corporation. Me separate pleasures from work. Making isk is kind of work for me in Eve Online. Thats why this post to find investors and improve isk/h profit. While that may explain your situation, it does not really help your case. If you have few friends and no real ties to the community (be that your corp/alliance, MD or EVE in general) then you have little to lose by scamming. 7b is a lot to ask from strangers without any evidence to suggest you would pay it back. A smaller loan, or one with collateral, would be more appropriate.
Bad Bobby Bring Me Sunshine 111	Posted - 2012.09.15 09:54:00 - [3] - Quote Kell Tarhun wrote: I currently have about 3B in ISK which i use for regional hub trading but I need more ISK to increase my trading ability. I trade between regions and am averaging 40-100 M ISK profit per day, depending on the length I play. Kell Tarhun wrote: i got over 1 year of expierience in market areas of -A- Kell Tarhun wrote: i make steady small profits each day. My alliance history is pretty obvious, i am connected with -A- territories for more than 1 year. All things considered it is obvious i make profits of those regions for long amount of time. I do not think it is obvious. Could you explain it further? If you have over 1 year of experience trading in this way for steady profits, then why do you only have 3b, a freighter and no other significant assets to show for it?
Bad Bobby Bring Me Sunshine 111	Posted - 2012.09.15 10:35:00 - [4] - Quote Kell Tarhun wrote: I am not sure if you taking my serious. If u going for your own just like i am you need to put effort .... I am most certainly taking your serious. I fully understand the effort involved in making isk. I am asking questions in an effort to find out if you are motivated, honest and competent. Kell Tarhun wrote: I do not look for competition in what i am doing but for investors. Currently i am more than sure injection of isk would make y personal profits higher. Thats what this post is all about. If you are attempting to raise money from strangers then your post needs to be more about what other people believe and less about what you believe.
Bad Bobby Bring Me Sunshine 116	Posted - 2012.09.15 10:59:00 - [5] - Quote Kell Tarhun wrote: There is no sense to put personal arguments in market postor spam me. Offer is transparent in my first post. here. Feel free to contact me if you are interested. You are in the "Market Discussions" forum. If you do not want to discuss your loan then maybe you have chosen the wrong place to ask for it.
Bad Bobby Bring Me Sunshine 116	Posted - 2012.09.15 11:27:00 - [6] - Quote Kell Tarhun wrote: i haven't add anything new to my first post while conversation with you. Actually, I think this conversation has revealed some usefull information that was not available in the original post. Kell Tarhun wrote: I do not find my psychological arguments that much important. When you are lending spaceships money to a stranger on an spaceships forum these phychological arguments are one of few tools we have available to figure out if something is legitimate or not. Kell Tarhun wrote: I run business and i am more about numbers. Ok, so give me some more numbers and get an audit to confirm them. You are asking to be given 7b isk, so you should be prepared to put some work in to the process. Kell Tarhun wrote: Good impression, positive PR - it is not me. Yes, I realise that. However if you want someone to come out of their comfort zone and risk 7b isk in an investment with you then you may have to come out of your comfort zone first. Kell Tarhun wrote: i am not here to bore whole market community using syntax figures. Do not worry, if they are not interested they will not read it.
Bad Bobby Bring Me Sunshine 116	Posted - 2012.09.15 12:24:00 - [7] - Quote Kell Tarhun wrote: stable access to 0.0 How likely do you think it is that you will continue to have stable access to 0.0? I understand that you are at war with a formidable opponent and have been on the losing side thus far. What will the impact be to your business if you lose access to 0.0? What are the chances that your assets will be lost or sold at firesale prices? Will you be able to afford the interest in this case? Will you be able to repay the principal in this case? Kell Tarhun wrote: credible alliance history You haven't been in your current corp very long and you've already stated that you do not have strong ties there. Kell Tarhun wrote: I offer avarage profit, made market search here and there are investment projects running from 5 to 15% here in topic I have no complaint about 10% interest at all. I think that is fine. But you are asking for 7b, which is more than a first time investee should expect to raise without collateral. If you had made an excellent proposal, answered questions well and had a good attitude you would still struggle to raise 7b at any interest rate as a first time uncollateralised unaudited investee. Given that your proposal was not excellent, you have not answered questions well and you are being uncooperative... you are making matters even harder for yourself. Maybe someone will be foolish or charitable enough to invest, but you would have a better chance of success in a high footfall area like Jita local.
Bad Bobby Bring Me Sunshine 116	Posted - 2012.09.15 14:06:00 - [8] - Quote Kell Tarhun wrote: Considering all you got to offer is personal judgments - my answer for you is simple: No money no honey. Who were you planning to borrow the 7b from? My guess would be from people who will form personal judgements of your character from the content of this thread (given that you offer them nothing else). So far there hasn't been a flood of people willing to either invest in your offering or provide a positive assesment of it, dispite your stated links to a sizeable 0.0 community. Maybe you should go back to those 5%-15% offerings you looked at when you did your research and compare the content of those threads with this one. If you considered those threads valid research for interest rates then you should also consider them valid research for other elements that brought them success. I don't really care if you are looking to raise money for a legitimate trading enterprise or if you are just trying to scam the isk to put towards a JF or supercapital. But given that, as you admit, no evidence of your secret business can be found without your cooperation the sensible path is to assume the worst. I can live without the 700m in interest a lot easier that I can live without the 7b in principal. I expect most sensible investors will feel the same way.
Bad Bobby Bring Me Sunshine 128	Posted - 2012.10.06 06:27:00 - [9] - Quote flakeys wrote: /me stands up : ''Hello , i am flakeys. I have been a long time investor on the MD forum and i must admit .... /me swallows ... i HAVE been scammed 3 times'' . /me sit down in shame . Hi, my name is Bob and I am an MD investor. Hi Bob! I've been scammed twice on MD. The first time was on Calgorac's long running bonds that ended when he vanished from EVE without returning his investors isk. The second was on Inigo Firebird's bond where he decided to run with the isk. Fortunately for me, Calgorac's bond had been running for so long that I believe I at least broke even on interest payments even after losing my investment. In the case of Inigo Firebird, I was able to recover some of my isk at a later date but I'm not entirely sure if it ended in a profit or a loss overall. I believe that both of these were due to burnout and RL issues rather than being intended as scams from the outset.

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